Another I question that I received a few times and have often seen on forums is a variation of: "what does the star means?" or "when should I attribute a star to one of my workouts?"
Here is how Freeletics explains the star rating:
"If you complete a workout or MAX without a single modified repetition, your performance receives a star. Exercise modifications enable athletes of all performance levels to train Freeletics. You will find further information in the exercise video tutorials. Star performances are more effective and therefore always ranked before performances without a star, no matter if they are faster or slower, higher or lower."
Some of the confusion comes from the term "modified repetition".
In the video tutorials explaining each exercise, there is first a demonstration of the "regular" exercise and then what Freeletics calls the "modified" exercise. Below are 2 screenshots from the tutorial for the burpee. On the left, is how you you are supposed to hit the ground when doing a "regular" burpee. On the right, is how you you are supposed to hit the ground when doing a "modified" burpee. As you can see, it will be much harder to stand-back on your feet from the position on the left, than from the position on the right.
In other words, the "modified" version of an exercise is the "easy" version. But why is there a need to differentiate them when recording workouts?
Actually, there are 2 reasons:
- motivation: if you keep doing an exercise with "no star", you know that you still have progress to be made. And the first time that you put a star, you know that you are able to complete a difficult exercise that you couldn't do before. You earned your star (that's how I felt when getting a star on pullups)
- comparison: remember in this method, all athletes train using the same routines. You can't compare the results of one guy doing 41 "modified" burpees with his friend doing 40 normal ones. This is like comparing apples to oranges.
Another source of confusion is that the explanation uses the term "exercise", while you need to assign (or not) a star to a "workout".
The rule is actually simple, if you use a modified version of an exercise (e.g. burpees) for any portion of a workout (e.g. Aphrodite), you don't get a star. For example, you start Aphrodite doing everything in the most difficult version, but are so exhausted that for the last 10 burpees you switch to modified burpees. You don't get a star.
Sometimes it can be a bit frustrating not to get a star. It feels like we're not performing at our best. But remember, there is no shame in not getting a star: for some workouts it may take over a year of training to complete the star version.
I'm not exaggerating. If you take Hyperion (probably the most difficult workout to get a star), even the guys that you see in the Freeletics videos performed the no-star version for months after completing their program. Alexander only got the star after completing 500 Freeletics workouts (about a month ago). And as of today Levent still can't do all the pistols in the regular way, so he still records his Hyperion results without a star.
A last point that I wanted to bring-up, is other types of modifications. By that I mean, cases when instead of doing the "regular exercise" or the "modified exercise", you do a different exercise instead.
The purists will tell you that any modification, even the slightest you should not put a star. It's a valid position, and you can make it you own.
My interpretation is a bit more pragmatic. I think that the Star was implemented, because without the modified exercises most beginners people would not be able to finish the workouts (if you physically can't do pullups, you will never finished Hades unless you help yourself with your feet). Therefore the star is more about "easy versus hard" than about changing the workout.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that you can give yourself a star if you replace burpees by squats or if you complete Aphrodite by doing 15 rounds of 10 repetitions instead of doing 5 rounds, or respectively 50/40/30/20/10 repetitions. In these examples you are significantly altering the workout, so clearly you shouldn't put a star.
However, I think that there are some modifications that are still worth a star:
- your modification makes the workout harder (e.g. instead of doing one-hand pushups you decide to do them only on 3 fingers)
- you replace an exercise by something very comparable. For example, if you always run 2 kilometers in 12 minutes, and choose to replace running 2K, by 12 minutes of rope jumping because you are stuck at home because of the snow, or watching the kids, or whatever.
Just be honest with yourself. If the modification is making the workout easier or will help improve your personal best, then you know that it's not worth a star.
your blog is really interesting, I found out about freeletics on a youtube video and it inspired me to start a 15 weeks strengh program. I just did my first workout (venus) it was not as difficult as expected but I coudnt do all the the thing without stopping, in the end it took me 25 minutes to finish it (is it a good time?). I m eighteen, I mesure 1 m 75 for 63 kilos; do you think I could have the same result as in the videos? (I dont plan to do a diet, I am not fat and sportvie)
ReplyDeleteThank you, Max.
Delete25 minutes is a good time for a first attempt. I'm currently at 19:23* (star version). Best athletes complete it around 10mn.
I did the Cardio-Strength program. My first feeling was that cardio workouts tended to be more difficult. By that, I mean that they gave me a real sweat, and I needed a longer recovery time afterward. While Strength was straining for muscles, it just didn't feel as intense.
It's only after completing my program that I realized that the real difficulty of Strength is to get the completion time down. The last few weeks I have done a lot of Venus, but my time has remained around 20mn. It takes a long time to build the muscles to really get to the next level. So it will take a lot of patience and hard work to get in the 15mn range.
Will the program work for you? If you do the entire thing, yes you'll be more muscular than before.
Just keep in mind that to look like in the videos you need two things:
1. some muscles
2. no fat
This may sound stupid but many people only think about the muscles part. If you do 500 situps a day, sure you will have strong abs, but if you have fat on your belly no one will see these muscles. A skinny dude who never does sport will have a better looking six pack that you.
You seem to be quite lean so in your case, losing fat shouldn't be too much of a concern. But if at the end of the 15 weeks you feel that the results are not as impressive as on the videos, may be you'll need to add a bit more Cardio to your training plan.
Ok, thank you for your advices, I will try to do my best to complete the program. If you want I will report my stats at the end of the program.
DeleteAnd just to know, in which country do you live?
Please do so. It's good to get feedback from other people, to see the results of training.
DeleteRegarding the program, to stay motivated it's important to manage your expectations. Always keep in mind that it takes a while to see the first results. So expect little to no change for the first 7-10 weeks. Once you have passed the first half, you'll have done the hardest part already.
I live in France.
I m French too ^^ , I am going to do my third workout today, I did not feel sore after the first workout, but I did two pull up max and one squat max yesterday and now I can feel the pain, mostly in my arms. I think that this workout (venus again) is going to be quite a challenge, but I don't plan on giving up, I am determined to do these 15 weeks.
DeleteThank you for you support.
Hi:)
ReplyDeleteI just find out about your blog and I see You write a lot of interesting articles:-)
Same with this one; especially " You can't compare the results of one guy doing 41 "modified" burpees with his friend doing 40 normal ones" ;-)
I'm training Freeletics since June last year, but I never tried Hyperion, it looks to extreme for me ;-)
Maybe I should try to do modified version of all exercises from Hyperion workout.
Recently, I write really short, a little bit similar article on my blog, but about how should correct exercise in Freeletics look like. I used Christian Wenzel YouTube videos for this one.
http://myfreeleticsworkout.blogspot.com/2014/03/freeletics-speed-vs-correct-execution.html
Thanks Michal.
DeleteActually Hyperion is not that bad. The difficulty is that some exercises (hand-stand pushups and pistols) are impossible to execute in star version until you have an excellent physical condition. But the overall training load is very reasonable. You should try it, you'll see what I mean.
You don't have to do the entire Hyperion in the modified version. In my case, I do strict pullups and OH pushups the normal way. It's the rest that still prevent me from getting the star.
For me the biggest problem are OHPushups, even in modified version;)
DeleteDecimus, I just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to share your experiences and information with everyone. Your blog was the reason that got me inspired and why I started doing freeletics. I've been following your blog and routines since beginning of my journey. Purchased the android app, and have been doing the same routines (today was my 1st day of hell's week of the 5 weeks free program)
ReplyDeleteYour burpees breathing explanation was a life saver, as it was and still is the most difficult part of my sessions, but now more control of my breathing and endurance after each workout.
Of course I'm following you in the app's network as well. Looking forward to follow your 15 week C&S program, after I'm done.
Once again Merci!
Ed Perez
You are welcome, Ed. And thank you for this nice comment. I'm pleased to see that you have found my blog useful and motivating. Although, I don't know if it's a good thing that you are going through a Hell Week because of me! :-)
Deletesooner or later Hell Week's catches us all.........onward!!!!,
ReplyDeleteBTW, thanks now I have my 1st follower!
cheers.
Ed Perez
Can someone do this workout & let me know about achieved time and if this group of exercises is good enough for beginner in "Freeletics" to get some stamina?
ReplyDeleteMale, 30 years, 183cm, 104kg, office work, sport active once a week for 90min - futsal,
3 rounds of:
10x Burpees
30x Squats
45sec Plank
2x5 (L+R) Spiderman Push Ups
30x Mountain Climbers
60sec Superman
My times:
1st: 28:10
2nd 23:00
3rd 18:45
Thanks a lot to all who will try my custom made workout, publish achieved time & suggestions.
Hi Nevtro,
DeleteI'll try to give it a try one of these days. Although, my time might not be the best reference, some of the exercises will be new to me, so I'll probably waste some time in the process. My guess is that if you have a good (not exceptional) it should take about 13.5 to 15 minutes. Here is my math:
10 Burpees 45s + 30 Squats 45s + plank 45s + Spiderman PU 45s + Mountain Climbers 30s (?) + Superman 60s = ~270s per round = ~13.5 minutes
My first thoughts just looking at it on paper (might change after I try it), is that your workout seems balanced, as it all your muscle groups work.
However, I don't think that it will be very intensive. The plank and superman are great to tighten your core, require some efforts to hold the position but will generate almost zero effort on the cardio side. Which means that during the 15mn workout, over 5mn is spend standing still, breathing nicely & calmly.
Additionally I think that it's probably too light on the burpees side (10 per round). If the guys at Freeletics put some many (usually around 150 in most workouts) and if we hate them so much there is a good reason: it's damn good exercise! ;-)
Don't get me wrong, your workout doesn't look bad, it's just that it's probably not the most suitable for your objective. You want to build stamina, so you need a workout with a lot of cardio and some interval training.
If I were you instead I would focus mostly on Dione (great for intervals) with some Aphrodite (lots of squats for your leg training), and add to your schedule a lot of Apollon+Hera (great for interval and the 400m running is a good training for futsal/football).
My 2 cents.
Newto,
DeleteI just tested your workout (1 attempt only). It took me 14:02 to complete the 3 rounds. Note that for certain exercises, I wasn't sure how you counted the repetitions. So I chose to do them the most conservative way (i.e takes more to time to complete).
Specifically:
- for the Spiderman pushups: I did 1 pushup + right side and then I did another pushup before doing the left side. Which means I did 10 pushups per round.
If you intended that we do 1 pushup and left+right (5 pushups per round), then I estimated that it would have taken me 10 seconds less per round (I tested both version after the workout).
- for the mountain climbers: Usually in Freeletics each side counts as a repetition but I wasn't sure if you did it this way. So I counted 1 rep after doing both the right and left legs (=60 legs movements per round).
I took me ~50s/round to complete the mountain climbers, which means that if each side counts as a rep, my round should be 25s shorter.
Conclusion: 14:02 is the conservative time, the short version would have taken me ~12:17
I can now also provide more feedback:
- As expected, the workout was not very hard: the reps are too short to really be challenging for the muscle. However, it gave me a good sweat. So it was more cardio intensive than I had thought.
- The long version that I did was also more challenging for the shoulders than I had expected (after burpees+pushups+plank, holding the mountain climbers postions for 50s required an effort for the arms).
- The plank was not an effort at all (we do it several time per session during bosing training), but an opportunity to catch my breath. I would make it 1mn long simply because it's easier to keep track of the time on the clock with a round number instead of 45s.
- Superman was actually much more challenging than I expected. That was nasty to put this one at the end of the round! ;-)
I hope it helps.
Decimus, thanks a lot for trying my custom made workout.
ReplyDeleteWhen I started I couldn't do more than 12 pushups at once, since then I double it and my arms starts to hurt around 20-25 reps, so now I can do almost 30 pushups at once. (100 in total workout)
I know that 30 burpees is not enough but at the beginning I just want to create/do excersise/workout which I was able to finish too. Now it's almost a month and a half since then & during this period I made some more corrections on workout: no more plank's (maybe sometimes just to catch breath :) ), I still hate burpees - the toughest part for me is when I have to bring legs back under my body, just before jump, but I always tought that legs are my secret weapon & I have enough power in it to do any legs workout at max - saddly not true. Bcs of that I do a lot of squats and leg raises (leg levers) this days. My max in 5 minutes is 118 reps for leg levers. Still a lot of space for improvements I know, but I must be satistied when I compare this results with result at the begining (70).
Mountin climber workout - I count each leg movement as one rep, so you did it twice as much as I did. -25s for you.
Superman is great, but must be honest & have to confess that at the end I can barely lift up my hands & upper body high enough, legs aren't such a problem, reason for that is probably in my lower back mussles.
Another great thing are jumping lunches - I'm trying to do them as much as possible now cca. 100 in total workout. Just few more days & I belive that I can start with AFRODITA & DIONE workout and finished them too. :)
After 45days I've lost 4kg, I need just one or two short breaks during 90min of futsal playing & I'm trying to do as many sprints while playing as possible, now I want to improve my biceps/triceps too, so I'll be able to do at least 5 pull-ups - didn't try them yet.
Thanx one again & if you have any comments pls fell free to let me know sth new.
Wish u all the best.
Nevtro
Hi Nevtro,
DeleteRegarding the burpees, like most exercise, aside from muscles getting used to the effort it's very important to breath. If your muscles don't get the oxygen they need, you won't be able to complete all the repetitions. If you haven't seen it yet, have look in the tips section of the blog at my post about breathing during burpees.
For pullups, if you can't do 5 in a row try doing 1 or 2 but several time during the day. After a few days your muscles will start getting used to it and slowly you'll do more reps.
If pull-ups are still too hard at the beginning, do a few push-ups instead. You can vary they type. For example doing some "normal" push-ups and then a few repetitions with both hands next to each other. That second version will make the triceps work more (it's easier to do more reps by varying the types because you'll alternately make biceps and triceps work).
Keep on the good work! :-)
Today I tried & finished my first Aphrodite workout in 41:04 (star version)! Don't know if this is OK or not but I feal great, bcs one month ago I couldn't imagine to do 20 burpees, now I did it 150!
ReplyDeleteDecimus tnx for all support & motivation.
Completing Aphrodite is already an achievement. With a star it's even better. So congratulations!
Delete41 minutes is a pretty good time. On first attempts, it's not rare to see completion times over an hour (without star). No the key is to train regularly. You won't break your PB each time, but don't give up. If you keep training, you will improve.
I have a question regarding achieving stars. I don't think I understand how the star system works. I've been training pretty much my whole life and started with freeletics 3 weeks ago. I am on my thrid week now and I do plenty of exercises correct all the way. Squats(230), Burpees(84), Push-ups(50). Now....is the star system something I need to "mark" myself after I finish the workout or is this something the app itself marks? That is the thing I don't get with the star system....
ReplyDeleteCan someone explain? As of now I don't have any stars but I do the exercises above as they are suppose to be done.
Thx!
Oh, btw..those are my MAX and PB attempts at those three exercises.
DeleteHi Sasha,
DeleteI have made a post on the topic. It was just easier to use screenshots, rather than trying to describe things in writing. :-)
If you are doing the regular exercises as described on the Freeletics tutorial videos (e.g. regular pushups with hands release, not easier pushups on the knees) then you should give yourself a star.
Thx! I just realized I had to press the edit button in order to choose the star option. :-)
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